hsm7:
hsm7:
What about you letting two psychos beat her within an inch of her life so you could feed her your blood the night you met?
Has there been any discussions here before about the discrepancies between exactly what night it was when the Rattray’s beat Sookie?
Many. Yes. :)
In viewing the show, it appears to be the second night they meet that this incident happens, but each time Eric speaks of it, he says it’s the night Bill and Sookie met.
I’m sure it’s been a topic before and I’ve just missed it. What are the thoughts on this one? I’ve never concluded whether it’s a continuity error or purposeful. And if purposeful, to what end?
Thought 1: Eric’s information is faulty, because he got it from Sam (makes sense, Sam was there), and Sam either mistakenly said the wrong day or else, didn’t specify and Eric made an assumption.
Thought 2: This is deliberate, and what we are seeing through Sookie’s eyes is not what happened exactly. Also possible, because Sookie’s vision is tampered by Bill’s blood. Her perception is faulty, and so well may be her timeline.
This is all I remember of those discussions. But any ideas are welcome. :)
Yeah, that was the basic gist of the discussions.
What I find…potentially interesting is that a lot of these discussions happened before we learned that yes, weres CAN be glamoured (as we saw with Eric and Alcide), and so shifters are likely to be as well. This fact took five years to confirm. As such, nobody was sure if Bill would have been able to glamour Sam or not (who, with his shifter nose/ears, would have been able to tell if Bill was hanging around watching it happen). Because really, would SAM just let a bleeding Sookie be carted off by a vampire into the Bayou of Mystery? No. Even if Sam realized she was dying and needed vamp blood, he would have hung around to make sure Bill didn’t hurt her (and probably would have followed up with her, AND been very very suspicious of Bill’s sudden appearance coinciding with the fangbanger killer and the drugging of Sookie). Bill had to have made him leave, made him forget, but maybe didn’t do such a good job if Sam was still in dog form?
In the end, I think it’s going to be a little of Thought 1, a little of Thought 2.
Thanks. Thought 1 and Thought 2 have definitely run through my mind. I love the fodder for discussions they give us, but I sure would love an official answer at some point.
In particular if exit’s thoughts on glamouring turn out to be part of the story.
(ohiogurl)
Because really, would SAM just let a bleeding Sookie be carted off by a vampire into the Bayou of Mystery?
This sums up what puzzled me about this scene from the first time I watched it. If the collie was Sam, why didn’t he stick around and help Sookie? How did Bill end up being the only one there after the Rattrays were dead?
I would expect Sam to check on Sookie, hang around, try to get her to a hospital. Even if he didn’t change form, I would expect his dog self to stick by her. So I’m assuming that some time passed between when Sookie passed out from the beating and when she woke up in Bill’s arms. In that interval, Bill separated Sam from Sookie.
yes that Sam part was really confusing….
(hsm7)
Good points. I don’t recall the episode, but wasn’t there a scene with both Bill and Sam (in collie form) looking at Sookie’s house. Sam was being protective, so why would he not be after the Rattray incident. Inconsistent.
(mametupa)
One more confusing thing about the night of the beating. In Four Tracks Corner scene (S1E2 next morning after the beating) Bud says to Sookie: “My niece is the emergency room nurse in Monroe. Says somebody busted up old Mack pretty bad last night.”
And Jason had already told Sookie in epi 1 (S1) (the morning after Sookie met Bill): He [Hoyt] went over to the Rats last night to buy some weed. And Denise drove up like she wanted to kill somebody she was so mad. The only way she would sell him any weed was if he would drive Mack to the hospital in Monroe.
Maybe Sam was there after the Rattray incident, after all he did have the information to share with Eric. It did take him a bit to get to Sookie to attempt to intervene in the first place, and by that time she was in a bad, bad, bad way. It’s possible that despite Sam’s misgivings he knew that vampire blood was the only thing that would save her and let it happen because saving her was his first priority.
The inconsistencies around this one incident are very interesting. Eric retells this same story in front of the Queen’s palace and Bill does nothing to correct him. He gets angry and says “how do you know that”. Eric says “so you’re not denying it”, which Bill follows with his usual answer “I was saving her life”.
I’m sending this over to LoveTrueBlood. If anyone else has any theories, please share. :)
— hsm7
Sam was injured himself during the Rattray beating. He was shot, I believe. He was in no shape to help Sookie after that. It’s possible that Bill spoke to him later and maybe even glamoured Sam into remebering the incident differently and/or not worrying about it. (Sam and Bill actually spoke in the books behind Sookie’s back.)
We really don’t know where Eric got his info. Did he get it from Sam, QSA, or some other yet unknown source? But it’s clearly second-hand info, so it may not be entirely accurate. Does it really matter what night Eric thought this happened on? Second night doesn’t make it better than the first.
It’s definitely curious. It absolutely doesn’t absolve or lessen the impact of what Bill did, but it’s a question. Why would the writers put in the inconsistencies on more than one occasion and with different characters, the most striking one being Eric? And there are many in Bill’s camp who think this discrepancy means that Bill didn’t really do what he’s been accused of. That somehow it’s a red herring and that Eric’s “error” proves it. Plus, it is True Blood, so things like this, while fodder for over-analysis, could also very well prove to be something significant later….just as your new URL suggests.
That’s the thing that vexes me, that the inconsistency comes up more than once. In particular, the incident hsm7 mentions outside of QSAs. Bill would most certainly argue with Eric if what he said was incorrect, so that suggests that Eric’s version is accurate. But what we see is something different.
Of course it doesn’t matter to Sookie’s predicament exactly what night it was. But it certainly does raise questions as to the purpose behind the inconsistency.
Precisely because it comes up more than once, and because it’s not a small matter easily mistaken (the show has a “bible” and script supervisors, this is a biggie, they don’t make a mistake like that more than once), I don’t think it is an inconsistency. I think it’s deliberate, and I think it does matter a great deal on which night Sookie’s predicament has taken place.
It matters, because it speaks to Bill’s intent — not a mere opportunity, but pre-arranged event. It speaks to Sam’s situation — not just suddenly dropped the ball, but has been glamoured. It all matters.
I only mean that Sookie is still in the predicament regardless of the day. Of course Bill’s intent and how Sam comes to be there or not, or remember precisely what occurred, matter to the overall history of that event. And their place in her life.
There’s not much she can trust - not even her own memory.
A nail on the head, the bold.
hsm7:
What about you letting two psychos beat her within an inch of her life so you could feed her your blood the night you met?
Has there been any discussions here before about the discrepancies between exactly what night it was when the Rattray’s beat Sookie?
Many. Yes. :)
In viewing the show, it appears to be the second night they meet that this incident happens, but each time Eric speaks of it, he says it’s the night Bill and Sookie met.
I’m sure it’s been a topic before and I’ve just missed it. What are the thoughts on this one? I’ve never concluded whether it’s a continuity error or purposeful. And if purposeful, to what end?
Thought 1: Eric’s information is faulty, because he got it from Sam (makes sense, Sam was there), and Sam either mistakenly said the wrong day or else, didn’t specify and Eric made an assumption.
Thought 2: This is deliberate, and what we are seeing through Sookie’s eyes is not what happened exactly. Also possible, because Sookie’s vision is tampered by Bill’s blood. Her perception is faulty, and so well may be her timeline.
This is all I remember of those discussions. But any ideas are welcome. :)
Yeah, that was the basic gist of the discussions.
What I find…potentially interesting is that a lot of these discussions happened before we learned that yes, weres CAN be glamoured (as we saw with Eric and Alcide), and so shifters are likely to be as well. This fact took five years to confirm. As such, nobody was sure if Bill would have been able to glamour Sam or not (who, with his shifter nose/ears, would have been able to tell if Bill was hanging around watching it happen). Because really, would SAM just let a bleeding Sookie be carted off by a vampire into the Bayou of Mystery? No. Even if Sam realized she was dying and needed vamp blood, he would have hung around to make sure Bill didn’t hurt her (and probably would have followed up with her, AND been very very suspicious of Bill’s sudden appearance coinciding with the fangbanger killer and the drugging of Sookie). Bill had to have made him leave, made him forget, but maybe didn’t do such a good job if Sam was still in dog form?
In the end, I think it’s going to be a little of Thought 1, a little of Thought 2.
Thanks. Thought 1 and Thought 2 have definitely run through my mind. I love the fodder for discussions they give us, but I sure would love an official answer at some point.
In particular if exit’s thoughts on glamouring turn out to be part of the story.
(ohiogurl)
Because really, would SAM just let a bleeding Sookie be carted off by a vampire into the Bayou of Mystery?
This sums up what puzzled me about this scene from the first time I watched it. If the collie was Sam, why didn’t he stick around and help Sookie? How did Bill end up being the only one there after the Rattrays were dead?
I would expect Sam to check on Sookie, hang around, try to get her to a hospital. Even if he didn’t change form, I would expect his dog self to stick by her. So I’m assuming that some time passed between when Sookie passed out from the beating and when she woke up in Bill’s arms. In that interval, Bill separated Sam from Sookie.
yes that Sam part was really confusing….
(hsm7)
Good points. I don’t recall the episode, but wasn’t there a scene with both Bill and Sam (in collie form) looking at Sookie’s house. Sam was being protective, so why would he not be after the Rattray incident. Inconsistent.
(mametupa)
One more confusing thing about the night of the beating. In Four Tracks Corner scene (S1E2 next morning after the beating) Bud says to Sookie: “My niece is the emergency room nurse in Monroe. Says somebody busted up old Mack pretty bad last night.”
And Jason had already told Sookie in epi 1 (S1) (the morning after Sookie met Bill): He [Hoyt] went over to the Rats last night to buy some weed. And Denise drove up like she wanted to kill somebody she was so mad. The only way she would sell him any weed was if he would drive Mack to the hospital in Monroe.
Maybe Sam was there after the Rattray incident, after all he did have the information to share with Eric. It did take him a bit to get to Sookie to attempt to intervene in the first place, and by that time she was in a bad, bad, bad way. It’s possible that despite Sam’s misgivings he knew that vampire blood was the only thing that would save her and let it happen because saving her was his first priority.
The inconsistencies around this one incident are very interesting. Eric retells this same story in front of the Queen’s palace and Bill does nothing to correct him. He gets angry and says “how do you know that”. Eric says “so you’re not denying it”, which Bill follows with his usual answer “I was saving her life”.
I’m sending this over to LoveTrueBlood. If anyone else has any theories, please share. :)
— hsm7
Sam was injured himself during the Rattray beating. He was shot, I believe.
No, he wasn’t. He was perfectly fine. Not injured. Not shot. The Rattrays never laid a finger on him, Mack never even fired his gun, Sam is even shown padding over to Sookie as she passes out.
This is a pretty fucking pivotal scene in the series, one of the most important and certainly most memorable ones. And that is a hell of a way to misremember it.
He was in no shape to help Sookie after that.
Being that he’s not injured, he’s perfectly capable of helping Sookie after that. Of course, since Bill had her beaten to the point where her only choices were take his blood or die, Sam couldn’t have helped her. But not because he was injured.
Sam might have agreed to the blood-giving, but there is no fucking way he would have let Bill just drag Sookie into the Bayou of Mystery like a fresh kill, nor would he have not followed up with her about it, unless he was glamoured otherwise. Or, if he had gone to Eric straight away, if Eric convinced him to keep quiet while he investigated Bill (because Sookie would be in imminent mortal peril if Bill thought she was in danger of getting away from him), perhaps even helped Eric investigate in Bon Temps. It’s all but been stated outright that Sam and Eric had known each other before the Teacup Humans night at Fangtasia. Sam knew to go to Eric. Eric already had Sam’s cell number. Eric had known of Merlotte’s before he went with Bill (“It’s more depressing than I thought”). When Sam demanded Pam save Luna at the Authority, she did not say “Fuck you.” she said “Who the fuck is Luna?” (which indicates more than a passing familiarity).
It’s possible that Bill spoke to him later and maybe even glamoured Sam into remebering the incident differently and/or not worrying about it. (Sam and Bill actually spoke in the books behind Sookie’s back.)
We really don’t know where Eric got his info. Did he get it from Sam, QSA, or some other yet unknown source? But it’s clearly second-hand info, so it may not be entirely accurate. Does it really matter what night Eric thought this happened on? Second night doesn’t make it better than the first.
But nobody is saying the second night is better or worst than the first. People are saying this is an indicator of an Unreliable Narrator. Which, if true, could call into question just about anything in the series. If the narrator’s perception was warped for that incident, than what else has it been warped over?
(I believe True Blood is being told in a [usually] subtle Rashomon style, with the story being told from the viewpoint of several not entirely reliable narrators.)
(Also, a great way to explain Unreliable Narrator is just to say ‘Calvin & Hobbes’.)
hsm7:
What about you letting two psychos beat her within an inch of her life so you could feed her your blood the night you met?
Has there been any discussions here before about the discrepancies between exactly what night it was when the Rattray’s beat Sookie?
Many. Yes. :)
In viewing the show, it appears to be the second night they meet that this incident happens, but each time Eric speaks of it, he says it’s the night Bill and Sookie met.
I’m sure it’s been a topic before and I’ve just missed it. What are the thoughts on this one? I’ve never concluded whether it’s a continuity error or purposeful. And if purposeful, to what end?
Thought 1: Eric’s information is faulty, because he got it from Sam (makes sense, Sam was there), and Sam either mistakenly said the wrong day or else, didn’t specify and Eric made an assumption.
Thought 2: This is deliberate, and what we are seeing through Sookie’s eyes is not what happened exactly. Also possible, because Sookie’s vision is tampered by Bill’s blood. Her perception is faulty, and so well may be her timeline.
This is all I remember of those discussions. But any ideas are welcome. :)
Yeah, that was the basic gist of the discussions.
What I find…potentially interesting is that a lot of these discussions happened before we learned that yes, weres CAN be glamoured (as we saw with Eric and Alcide), and so shifters are likely to be as well. This fact took five years to confirm. As such, nobody was sure if Bill would have been able to glamour Sam or not (who, with his shifter nose/ears, would have been able to tell if Bill was hanging around watching it happen). Because really, would SAM just let a bleeding Sookie be carted off by a vampire into the Bayou of Mystery? No. Even if Sam realized she was dying and needed vamp blood, he would have hung around to make sure Bill didn’t hurt her (and probably would have followed up with her, AND been very very suspicious of Bill’s sudden appearance coinciding with the fangbanger killer and the drugging of Sookie). Bill had to have made him leave, made him forget, but maybe didn’t do such a good job if Sam was still in dog form?
In the end, I think it’s going to be a little of Thought 1, a little of Thought 2.
Thanks. Thought 1 and Thought 2 have definitely run through my mind. I love the fodder for discussions they give us, but I sure would love an official answer at some point.
In particular if exit’s thoughts on glamouring turn out to be part of the story.
(ohiogurl)
Because really, would SAM just let a bleeding Sookie be carted off by a vampire into the Bayou of Mystery?
This sums up what puzzled me about this scene from the first time I watched it. If the collie was Sam, why didn’t he stick around and help Sookie? How did Bill end up being the only one there after the Rattrays were dead?
I would expect Sam to check on Sookie, hang around, try to get her to a hospital. Even if he didn’t change form, I would expect his dog self to stick by her. So I’m assuming that some time passed between when Sookie passed out from the beating and when she woke up in Bill’s arms. In that interval, Bill separated Sam from Sookie.
yes that Sam part was really confusing….
(hsm7)
Good points. I don’t recall the episode, but wasn’t there a scene with both Bill and Sam (in collie form) looking at Sookie’s house. Sam was being protective, so why would he not be after the Rattray incident. Inconsistent.
(mametupa)
One more confusing thing about the night of the beating. In Four Tracks Corner scene (S1E2 next morning after the beating) Bud says to Sookie: “My niece is the emergency room nurse in Monroe. Says somebody busted up old Mack pretty bad last night.”
And Jason had already told Sookie in epi 1 (S1) (the morning after Sookie met Bill): He [Hoyt] went over to the Rats last night to buy some weed. And Denise drove up like she wanted to kill somebody she was so mad. The only way she would sell him any weed was if he would drive Mack to the hospital in Monroe.
Maybe Sam was there after the Rattray incident, after all he did have the information to share with Eric. It did take him a bit to get to Sookie to attempt to intervene in the first place, and by that time she was in a bad, bad, bad way. It’s possible that despite Sam’s misgivings he knew that vampire blood was the only thing that would save her and let it happen because saving her was his first priority.
The inconsistencies around this one incident are very interesting. Eric retells this same story in front of the Queen’s palace and Bill does nothing to correct him. He gets angry and says “how do you know that”. Eric says “so you’re not denying it”, which Bill follows with his usual answer “I was saving her life”.
I’m sending this over to LoveTrueBlood. If anyone else has any theories, please share. :)
— hsm7
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hsm7:
switchbladekiller:
hsm7:
ancientpythoness:
mametupa:
cookietookie:
ancientpythoness:
pbt1:
ancientpythoness:
I have a feeling we’re going to hear Eric say this to Sookie again in season 6 and it will be a shocker—initially, until we learn his reasoning. There are quite a few important matters Eric couldn’t share with Sookie due to Bill’s blood, aka his psychic surveillance equipment.
pbt1:
Perhaps a lie about Eric “not knowing” what Sookie was when she walked in the door of Fangtasia. Eric knowing who and what she was perhaps.
Or perhaps the blood exchange and subsequent, “we will be one” being very significant in vampire culture. Can we say, vampire marriage anyone?
ancientpythoness::
Oh, there isn’t much doubt in my mind that Eric knew what Sookie was all along, as did Bill. The difference is Bill’s intent was to use, abuse and exploit Sookie’s ‘natural resources’ while Eric intended to protect her by adding her to his ‘little zoo’.
2 more lies that will cause HUGE, and I mean HUGE, controversy in the fandom [again, until Eric’s reasoning becomes known] have to do with 1. his mysterious case of ‘amnesia’ and 2. Godric. [please don’t ask me to elaborate on the 2nd one. My view on that subject does not represent a consensus at The Ancient Pythoness site, but are mine alone.]
Just putting it out there in the universe so nobody can say there was no warning. ;-)
cookietookie:
“his mysterious case of ‘amnesia’”?
mametupa:
All I can add is that in BR’s extra a FYI is given at the end of epi 2: “Marnie’s spell has given Eric amnesia. All of his memories have been wiped. It’s unclear whether the damage is permanent or not. None of the Wiccans understand how or why the spell worked, not even Marnie herself.”
ancientpythoness:
It’s no wonder the Wiccans were confused— the spell Marnie cast had nothing whatever to do with wiping memories:
Spell: “Iam tibi impero et praecipio maligne spiritus! ut confestit allata et circulo discedas absque omni strepito, terrore, clamore et foetore, asque sine omni damno mei tam animae quam corporis!”
Translation: Now I command and charge you, O evil spirit! That you immediately depart from the circle, abstaining from all noise, terror, tumult, and stench, and if you refuse I will damn you both in body and soul.
This was a banishing spell, so unless you believe Eric is an evil spirit it wasn’t even aimed at him. Sounds to me like a friendly spirit protected Eric from another, evil entity that was present. Most likely Eric’s protector was Antonia herself since Paola Turbay hinted in a interview that Antonia and Eric had a history:
“You’ll pick up that there was this rivalry with the vampires and the witches because the vampires have been a part of an institution in different eras that have impacted witches. Antonia was a victim of the Inquisition, and Eric was around. You’ll see why he was there, and I think you’ll be surprised.” [see: Past spoilers indicate many scenes were filmed we haven’t seen yet]
..which Eric seemed to confirm when he said to Sookie:: “It was her..but not her” .
It wouldn’t be the first time Eric played a role to reach an objective. What objective could he have for faking amnesia? [Fake Amnesia Eric = FAE] Sookie had just made it plain she wanted nothing to do with him, but she also needed protection. Would she have let ‘the old Eric’ get so close to her?
Faking his amnesia doesn’t mean Eric is a cad who only wanted in Sookie’s panties. Eric is an ancient, clever warrior who played by the rules of Sun Tzu’s Art of War to slay the dragon and save the damsel. If The Adorable Amnesiac was a ruse, then Eric was taking his own advice to Lala about not going into a situation all flash and fire. He adapted himself to Sookie’s needs to stay close to her, to protect and comfort her. Rather like this guy:
hsm7:
I think there’s too much that happened during the amnesia that didn’t seem like he was “in character” and completely in control.
Killing Claudine - I think real Eric (for lack of a better term) might not have been so impulsive killing her like that. Yes, Claudine was threatening Sookie, but I think REric would have been in more control and wouldn’t have drained her dry like that.
Eric’s complete breakdown in front of Sookie regarding Godric and his grief. We’ve seen how sensitive Eric is when Godric is mentioned. His death still resonates deeply with Eric. I don’t see him sullying Godric’s memory by using him as a tool or prop.
I also don’t think that Eric would take advantage of Sookie. She was able to open her heart to him because of the amnesia. If he was faking it and lying to her, I think you could easily consider him a cad if he allowed her to take him into her bed under false pretenses. Even if it wasn’t the reason for the plan, the fact that he would let it happen knowing full well that it was based on a lie is just…eewwww. There’s lots of discussion about agency, and this would fall right in line. Sookie would have made choices based on a series of lies, a fabricated backdrop of innocence, need, humanity, loyalty, and love.
Eric with Pam in Bill’s jail. I don’t think that was acting. Pam was dying…rotting from the inside out. I don’t see Eric ignoring that if he was carrying out a plan.
Eric kneeling before Bill waiting to be staked. He had no way of knowing that Bill would be swayed with his words. Eric was completely submissive, peaceful even, as he was waiting for the true death. That would have been a huge risk that I don’t believe he would take knowingly. He was under silver, with several guns pointed at him and two men holding him down. I don’t see any other escape for him except for Bill to release him.
Again, I don’t see Eric making love to Sookie for the first time under false pretenses and under the guise of protecting her. That would make him no different than Bill, who did, indeed, take her virginity under false pretenses.
His concern about Sookie loving him after he regained his memory. This could make either case, but I can’t get past the hurt and devastation Sookie would feel at being manipulated by Eric just as Bill did. She would never love Eric if this were true. At the end of season 3, Eric forces Bill’s hand because he “thought she had the right to know”. I think he was sincere. He knew she was being lied to and had been manipulated into loving Bill. Why would he do the same thing? It would make him a horrible person and I dare say worse than Bill because he saw what it did to Sookie. To turnaround and do the very same thing to her — no, just no.
“I’m trusting you Eric” “I won’t betray you….ever”. Yes, those words would come to haunt him forever, because he would be betraying her as he said the words. He would be despicable; he would be Bill. :(((((((((((((((
Why would Eric agree to help Queen Bill fight the witch if he carried out this whole ruse to protect her? And if Antonia had cast a protective spell, how was Marnie/Martonia able to cast the necromancy spell in the cemetery? Also, that was Antonia’s gift, not Marnie’s. Eric came under Marnie’s control and she used him as a weapon, ignoring Sookie’s pleas, putting her in danger, and thrusting her back into Bill’s clutches. Goes directly against the plan of protection.
When Sookie zaps Eric, all those memories come racing back. Memories of those important, milestone moments in his long life. That would not have happened if there no memories to be brought back. And Eric’s reaction when he realizes everything that transpired between he and Sookie was truly stunning. If he was acting, he rivals Bill.
No, I don’t think the amnesia was part of some grand plan of Eric’s implemented to protect Sookie. There is so much that is wrong with that if it were the case, most grievous of which would be having sex with her under false pretenses. She allowed herself to fall in love with him because that part of him that she always knew was there and always wanted came alive for her. To find out that she had been tricked, duped, deceived would shatter her. Eric’s better than that — he’s better than Bill.
switchbladekiller:
Faking something like that is the lowest of the low, and that level of manipulation and underhandedness in regards to Sookie is not Eric’s style, his limit was tricking her into drinking his blood, and even then she had a choice in the matter. We have seen in Eric’s day dream/night of Sookie, that he wanted her to know him and come to him of her own accord without being manipulated into it. She would never forgive that, and I would personally hand her the stake, from towards the end of season 2 to season 5 he has protected her, She doesn’t need to be his to do so.Yes this is the kind of thing that Bill would do without blinking an eyelid, Eric is not Bill.
hsm7:
Bill in an Eric suit — DO NOT WANT.
truebloodwillpsychyouout:
Eric did NOT fake his amnesia. He was cursed. And maybe you don’t think of Eric as an evil spirit, but Antonia surely did because he was a vampire, and because he was attacking Marnie and Tara. And while it may seem strange for a banishing spell to result in memory loss, it makes sense that the best way to keep someone as stubborn as Eric from Moon Goddess and the witches is to make him forget why he was there in the first place. And that’s exactly what Antonia accomplished. She removed Eric as a threat to Marnie and her followers. Nobody ever said that Eric’s amnesia was permanent. His memories were not erased; they were suppressed. That’s how he was able to dream about Godric. Godric’s memory was still in his subconscious. This couldn’t have happened if Eric’s memory had been destroyed.
And Eric didn’t know what Sookie was when he met her. There is nothing in the narrative to suggest otherwise, and frankly it would change the entire story and make Eric and Sookie’s connection as sinister as Bill and Sookie’s. The fae have been gone from the human realm for 1,000s of years. Even RE never met one, and he was 3 times Eric’s age. So how could Eric have known that Sookie smelled like fairy if he couldn’t have encountered one before? Also I doubt that Eric paid too much attention to the vampire bible, assuming that he bothered to read it. Eric doesn’t give a shit about religion. So it’s unlikely that he would have associated Sookie’s knowledge about the Fangtasia raid with being fae. (In the books, Eric thought Sookie was a psychic.) Sure, Eric was intrigued by Sookie and thought her abilities were useful, but to suggest that he had the same advanced knowledge as Bill and was keeping it from Sookie for his own selfish reasons just defeats the point of the entire narrative. Honestly, I don’t understand where all these conspiracy theories that AP has are coming from. Certainly not from anything we were shown on TB.
cookietookie:
Faking his amnesia? Are you serious? That wouldn’t make any sense. First of all, Eric isn’t such a good liar and actor which he proved many times ( when it comes to Russell for example). And second, his amnesia had a purpose. He wasn’t the same man anymore since his memories returned. He could openly tell Sookie that he loved her, something he couldn’t do as a ‘pre-amnesia’ Eric.
And really…that would be just sick, if you ask me.
Bringing this over to LoveTrueBlood. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this interesting, if not polarizing theory? Did Eric fake his amnesia? Did Eric know that Sookie was part fairy all along? — hsm7](http://25.media.tumblr.com/cb3310b25d1947c522512896c2f3543d/tumblr_mhcjx2zI2v1rud800o1_500.gif)
hsm7:
hsm7:
pbt1:
I have a feeling we’re going to hear Eric say this to Sookie again in season 6 and it will be a shocker—initially, until we learn his reasoning. There are quite a few important matters Eric couldn’t share with Sookie due to Bill’s blood, aka his psychic surveillance equipment.
pbt1:
Perhaps a lie about Eric “not knowing” what Sookie was when she walked in the door of Fangtasia. Eric knowing who and what she was perhaps.
Or perhaps the blood exchange and subsequent, “we will be one” being very significant in vampire culture. Can we say, vampire marriage anyone?
Oh, there isn’t much doubt in my mind that Eric knew what Sookie was all along, as did Bill. The difference is Bill’s intent was to use, abuse and exploit Sookie’s ‘natural resources’ while Eric intended to protect her by adding her to his ‘little zoo’.
2 more lies that will cause HUGE, and I mean HUGE, controversy in the fandom [again, until Eric’s reasoning becomes known] have to do with 1. his mysterious case of ‘amnesia’ and 2. Godric. [please don’t ask me to elaborate on the 2nd one. My view on that subject does not represent a consensus at The Ancient Pythoness site, but are mine alone.]
Just putting it out there in the universe so nobody can say there was no warning. ;-)
“his mysterious case of ‘amnesia’”?
All I can add is that in BR’s extra a FYI is given at the end of epi 2: “Marnie’s spell has given Eric amnesia. All of his memories have been wiped. It’s unclear whether the damage is permanent or not. None of the Wiccans understand how or why the spell worked, not even Marnie herself.”
It’s no wonder the Wiccans were confused— the spell Marnie cast had nothing whatever to do with wiping memories:
Spell: “Iam tibi impero et praecipio maligne spiritus! ut confestit allata et circulo discedas absque omni strepito, terrore, clamore et foetore, asque sine omni damno mei tam animae quam corporis!”
Translation: Now I command and charge you, O evil spirit! That you immediately depart from the circle, abstaining from all noise, terror, tumult, and stench, and if you refuse I will damn you both in body and soul.
This was a banishing spell, so unless you believe Eric is an evil spirit it wasn’t even aimed at him. Sounds to me like a friendly spirit protected Eric from another, evil entity that was present. Most likely Eric’s protector was Antonia herself since Paola Turbay hinted in a interview that Antonia and Eric had a history:
“You’ll pick up that there was this rivalry with the vampires and the witches because the vampires have been a part of an institution in different eras that have impacted witches. Antonia was a victim of the Inquisition, and Eric was around. You’ll see why he was there, and I think you’ll be surprised.” [see: Past spoilers indicate many scenes were filmed we haven’t seen yet]
..which Eric seemed to confirm when he said to Sookie:: “It was her..but not her” .
It wouldn’t be the first time Eric played a role to reach an objective. What objective could he have for faking amnesia? [Fake Amnesia Eric = FAE] Sookie had just made it plain she wanted nothing to do with him, but she also needed protection. Would she have let ‘the old Eric’ get so close to her?
Faking his amnesia doesn’t mean Eric is a cad who only wanted in Sookie’s panties. Eric is an ancient, clever warrior who played by the rules of Sun Tzu’s Art of War to slay the dragon and save the damsel. If The Adorable Amnesiac was a ruse, then Eric was taking his own advice to Lala about not going into a situation all flash and fire. He adapted himself to Sookie’s needs to stay close to her, to protect and comfort her. Rather like this guy:
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I think there’s too much that happened during the amnesia that didn’t seem like he was “in character” and completely in control.
- Killing Claudine - I think real Eric (for lack of a better term) might not have been so impulsive killing her like that. Yes, Claudine was threatening Sookie, but I think REric would have been in more control and wouldn’t have drained her dry like that.
- Eric’s complete breakdown in front of Sookie regarding Godric and his grief. We’ve seen how sensitive Eric is when Godric is mentioned. His death still resonates deeply with Eric. I don’t see him sullying Godric’s memory by using him as a tool or prop.
- I also don’t think that Eric would take advantage of Sookie. She was able to open her heart to him because of the amnesia. If he was faking it and lying to her, I think you could easily consider him a cad if he allowed her to take him into her bed under false pretenses. Even if it wasn’t the reason for the plan, the fact that he would let it happen knowing full well that it was based on a lie is just…eewwww. There’s lots of discussion about agency, and this would fall right in line. Sookie would have made choices based on a series of lies, a fabricated backdrop of innocence, need, humanity, loyalty, and love.
- Eric with Pam in Bill’s jail. I don’t think that was acting. Pam was dying…rotting from the inside out. I don’t see Eric ignoring that if he was carrying out a plan.
- Eric kneeling before Bill waiting to be staked. He had no way of knowing that Bill would be swayed with his words. Eric was completely submissive, peaceful even, as he was waiting for the true death. That would have been a huge risk that I don’t believe he would take knowingly. He was under silver, with several guns pointed at him and two men holding him down. I don’t see any other escape for him except for Bill to release him.
- Again, I don’t see Eric making love to Sookie for the first time under false pretenses and under the guise of protecting her. That would make him no different than Bill, who did, indeed, take her virginity under false pretenses.
- His concern about Sookie loving him after he regained his memory. This could make either case, but I can’t get past the hurt and devastation Sookie would feel at being manipulated by Eric just as Bill did. She would never love Eric if this were true. At the end of season 3, Eric forces Bill’s hand because he “thought she had the right to know”. I think he was sincere. He knew she was being lied to and had been manipulated into loving Bill. Why would he do the same thing? It would make him a horrible person and I dare say worse than Bill because he saw what it did to Sookie. To turnaround and do the very same thing to her — no, just no.
- “I’m trusting you Eric” “I won’t betray you….ever”. Yes, those words would come to haunt him forever, because he would be betraying her as he said the words. He would be despicable; he would be Bill. :(((((((((((((((
- Why would Eric agree to help Queen Bill fight the witch if he carried out this whole ruse to protect her? And if Antonia had cast a protective spell, how was Marnie/Martonia able to cast the necromancy spell in the cemetery? Also, that was Antonia’s gift, not Marnie’s. Eric came under Marnie’s control and she used him as a weapon, ignoring Sookie’s pleas, putting her in danger, and thrusting her back into Bill’s clutches. Goes directly against the plan of protection.
- When Sookie zaps Eric, all those memories come racing back. Memories of those important, milestone moments in his long life. That would not have happened if there no memories to be brought back. And Eric’s reaction when he realizes everything that transpired between he and Sookie was truly stunning. If he was acting, he rivals Bill.
No, I don’t think the amnesia was part of some grand plan of Eric’s implemented to protect Sookie. There is so much that is wrong with that if it were the case, most grievous of which would be having sex with her under false pretenses. She allowed herself to fall in love with him because that part of him that she always knew was there and always wanted came alive for her. To find out that she had been tricked, duped, deceived would shatter her. Eric’s better than that — he’s better than Bill.
Faking something like that is the lowest of the low, and that level of manipulation and underhandedness in regards to Sookie is not Eric’s style, his limit was tricking her into drinking his blood, and even then she had a choice in the matter. We have seen in Eric’s day dream/night of Sookie, that he wanted her to know him and come to him of her own accord without being manipulated into it. She would never forgive that, and I would personally hand her the stake, from towards the end of season 2 to season 5 he has protected her, She doesn’t need to be his to do so.Yes this is the kind of thing that Bill would do without blinking an eyelid, Eric is not Bill.
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Bill in an Eric suit — DO NOT WANT.
Eric did NOT fake his amnesia. He was cursed. And maybe you don’t think of Eric as an evil spirit, but Antonia surely did because he was a vampire, and because he was attacking Marnie and Tara. And while it may seem strange for a banishing spell to result in memory loss, it makes sense that the best way to keep someone as stubborn as Eric from Moon Goddess and the witches is to make him forget why he was there in the first place. And that’s exactly what Antonia accomplished. She removed Eric as a threat to Marnie and her followers. Nobody ever said that Eric’s amnesia was permanent. His memories were not erased; they were suppressed. That’s how he was able to dream about Godric. Godric’s memory was still in his subconscious. This couldn’t have happened if Eric’s memory had been destroyed.
And Eric didn’t know what Sookie was when he met her. There is nothing in the narrative to suggest otherwise, and frankly it would change the entire story and make Eric and Sookie’s connection as sinister as Bill and Sookie’s. The fae have been gone from the human realm for 1,000s of years. Even RE never met one, and he was 3 times Eric’s age. So how could Eric have known that Sookie smelled like fairy if he couldn’t have encountered one before? Also I doubt that Eric paid too much attention to the vampire bible, assuming that he bothered to read it. Eric doesn’t give a shit about religion. So it’s unlikely that he would have associated Sookie’s knowledge about the Fangtasia raid with being fae. (In the books, Eric thought Sookie was a psychic.) Sure, Eric was intrigued by Sookie and thought her abilities were useful, but to suggest that he had the same advanced knowledge as Bill and was keeping it from Sookie for his own selfish reasons just defeats the point of the entire narrative. Honestly, I don’t understand where all these conspiracy theories that AP has are coming from. Certainly not from anything we were shown on TB.
Faking his amnesia? Are you serious? That wouldn’t make any sense. First of all, Eric isn’t such a good liar and actor which he proved many times ( when it comes to Russell for example). And second, his amnesia had a purpose. He wasn’t the same man anymore since his memories returned. He could openly tell Sookie that he loved her, something he couldn’t do as a ‘pre-amnesia’ Eric.
And really…that would be just sick, if you ask me.
Bringing this over to LoveTrueBlood. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this interesting, if not polarizing theory? Did Eric fake his amnesia? Did Eric know that Sookie was part fairy all along? — hsm7
This is not a dream. Repeat, this is not a dream but an unmarked flashback, a memory that get’s ‘hijacked’ by Bill’s blood there at the end. Who can spot the clue that tells us it’s not a dream?
I don’t think this was a dream, either (as you said, the music cue was a big clue). At least not completely, that it was something like a repressed memory that came to her as she slept, or half-dream/half-memory. Because, c’mon, of course Sookie went to check on Eric right after his dad killed himself. She wouldn’t be Sookie if she didn’t. She’s not just going to leave him alone, leave without saying anything.
When it’s purely a dream, Sookie is wearing the clothes she fell asleep in (the pre-blood Bill dream, the first post blood Bill dream, the first Eric dream, the Eric warning dream). But this dream and the threesome dream, she’s dressed differently in the dream. And with that threesome “dream”, I always thought Bill was trying to reassert himself in Sookie’s subconscious with it, there were some kind of shenanigans going on. Sookie’s furniture was incorrect, and her hair was parted on the wrong side, and the whole thing was just…bizarre.
And it may seem silly, but every time I watch this scene, I can’t not stare at the smudge on the front of Sookie’s dress. It drives me nuts.
Is that blood? Is it there on purpose or was it an accident they couldn’t get out (which would be highly unlikely)? It’s not there in the previous episode. If it’s there on purpose, why?
Does the fact that it’s in the same place that Maryann got gored (right under the right breast) two episodes later?
Hmmm.
why would Eric never mention this, why did he not remember this when he got back from his amnesia? I would imagine being comforted by her after his maker’s death would be someting that would be on his greatest hits reel?
according to this dream Eric bit Sookie - but Eric denies having drunk from Sookie to Sophie-Anne just a couple days later. Also I don’t think they’d have Eric’s first time drinking from her be such a minor thing.
Unreconstructedfangirl response to @thinkingbox:
I have to say, I agree. I think that despite the musical cues/clues, this is a dream. I agree with Exit that Sookie had to have gone to check on him, but I also think it’s possible that he did not make himself available to be checked on, and she wasn’t able to. I still think that, at this stage in the narrative, he wouldn’t have wanted her to find him in a state like this.
Personally, I see it like this: this is a dream Eric sent her — which we know is possible, right? Didn’t Alan Ball or someone say this was a capability vampires have with a human who has had their blood? Perhaps not consciously, but just through the depth of his grief and desire for comfort, mixed with his desire for Sookie, this dream came to her through the blood, and the fact that she is thinking of him, wondering how he is and wanting to comfort him, which she has to be, because she is Sookie, perhaps makes her more receptive and gives it the character of a real interaction. The fact that the music is “Eric’s Grief” makes me feel like this is a dream that his emotions engendered in her — but I do think it’s a dream.
I think this dream is a real experience of Eric for Sookie, but that it’s via a more spiritual connection, and that it is remarkable pure in terms of how purely “Eric” it is. It reminds me most of the dream where Sookie tells him she can smell his memories in that it’s all about what he wants from her — acceptance, comfort, sustenance.
exitpursuedbyasloth response to @thinkingbox:
Well, it’s hard to give you any concrete answers when we don’t know what this scene actually is, other than Not Quite Right. I mean, I can tell it’s not like the other dreams, but why could be any number of things. It’s just hinky.
I can say, though, that the reason Eric didn’t remember this when Sookie desorcelled him is because they wouldn’t want to tip their hand too early that this scene was not a dream. Showing him remember would give it away, and they may be saving it for a larger reveal down the line (although, we’re in the home stretch here, they do need to start revealing major mindfucks if that is their intention).
As for your other queries,
“Denied drinking Sookie’s blood to Sophie Anne”: Well, he could have lied. I mean, he knows who Bill is, knows his purpose in pursuing Sookie, Eric is not exactly going to tell the one giving Bill’s orders that he drank from “her fairy”. He’s not stupid, Sophie-Anne would either attack him, or immediately go after Sookie.
“Why didn’t Eric mention this?”: Who would he mention it to? We only see him with Sam/Pam/the kids, and then Sophie-Anne. The next time he sees Sookie, Bill is missing and she’s determined to find him and he’s ballsdeep into his alibi for the evening. When he sees her again, she presents him with the symbol of the weres who killed his family, then she shoots him and he has to bury a body, then his baby girl gets kidnapped and tortured and the Queen rats him out, and then he goes to Mississippi and everything goes to shit.
And if you believe that Bill is messing with Sookie’s memory/mind through the blood (as I do), and she’s forgotten this (and by extension, the audience has) and if Eric is aware of this, Eric may not be able to tell her (nor get her away from Bill without undue damage to her psyche). Perhaps that was the reason for that big pronouncement right before he kissed her in his office, “If I meet the true death tonight, I will regret having never kissed you, Sookie Stackhouse.”, I mean, it was a little romance-novelly and awkwardly stilted of Eric to say that sentiment like that. Maybe he was testing her memory.
(Because, seriously, Bill fucking with Sookie’s memory, possibly trying to turn her into a Renfield or something worse, would not only explain SO MUCH of the fuckery that’s been in the show, but also be right in line with Ball’s running themes of perception and narrative manipulation, domestic abuse and how society treats the abused party, and propaganda).
There’s also the possibility that this was half-memory/half-dream. That the part with Sookie going to his room to comfort him was real, and maybe even the kisses on the cheek, but the sex and biting was a dream (perhaps sent by Bill, to keep Sookie afraid of Eric, or perhaps it was her own fantasy of how she wished the night would have ended). Or even one of those “shared dreamspace” things Ball mentioned, that Eric and Sookie would later share with Sex!Narnia.
Because think about it; Would Sookie really have left a heartbroken, grieving man alone during his worst hour? Does that sound like Sookie at all? I mean, she was annoyed and pissed at Eric, but she wasn’t afraid of him (and if she was, you KNOW she would make Jason get up and go with her to check on him, and Jason would, cause he’s kind of an awesome brother when he’s not strung out on V).
Truebloodwillpsychyouout response to a separate post:
This dream was different from the others. Eric didn’t appear to Sookie in the dream. Sookie was going to him. Sookie wasn’t pissed at Eric. She wanted to comfort him. If anything, I would say that this one dream is absolutely about the two of them. There is no Biil here at all.
And this is a dream. Sookie wakes up in the middle of it. There is nothing to indicate that this actually happened. I don’t think either Sookie or Eric would have actually behaved like this in S2. TB is very careful about separating dreams, visions, flashbacks, and fantasies from each other and from reality.
Thought I’d post over here for the interesting discussion. I’ve added a few other comments that came across my dash. What do others think? Any other ideas? —hsm7
When I first saw this scene it didn’t feel like a dream to me, and I was shocked when Sookie awakened. If this is indeed a dream, we can all agree that it is a very meaningful one. I always felt that Sookie’s pre-blood Bill dream was a warning from her subconscious mind about Bill’s true nature. If this scene is a dream, it could be Sookie’s subconscious mind telling her of Eric’s true nature.
It’s brings up some interesting questions, and at the time I thought it was real until Sookie woke up, well done TB.But given that Eric and Sookie had such a short acquaintance at that stage, it does seem very unlikely to me that they would have been so intimate with each other.I can see Sookie wanting to check on him also, and Eric not making himself available.It does strike me odd though that this event wasn’t featured in Eric’s memory flashback if its for real, and that he didn’t mentioned it to her.If its been held back for some reason, fair enough, although right now I’ve idea why TB would.
Look, it’s not the first time that TB fucked with us and presented a dream as something that can be happening for real at first. Some of Sookie’s dreams of Bill were like that. There was that bad porn fest with Bill and Sam. There was Tara’s shower dream with Franklin. Even Eric’s fantasy at first appeared as if real. But then TB very specifically had the characters wake up, so that it was clear to the audience that we were shown a dream. Even Bill’s and Pam’s flashback dreams were carefully structured to show us that the characters were remembering in their dreams. TB is very careful to separate reality from other content on the show because if we can’t ground the show in its reality, then we are basically watching a ping-pong match in Alan Ball’s head. And even if Sookie checked on Eric and told him that Godric was gone, there is no way that Sookie and Eric would have shared this level of emotional and physical intimacy in S2 for real. It’s simply not supported by the narrative.
This is a dream, but it’s different because the emotional context is different. Sookie was pissed at Eric before the first and third dreams, and this was reflected in her resistance to him and references to Bill. But this dream is not about Sookie being conflicted about her feelings for Eric. This dream is about Sookie understanding and empathizing with Eric’s grief and wanting to comfort him after Godric’s true death. I mean, is there some sort of rule that all Sookie’s dreams have to be the same? I don’t know why we are driving ourselves nuts over some spot that can’t even be seen in the video. Sometimes a spot is just a spot.
I love to think that this was reality until Sookie touched Eric, while the following part is Sookie remembering/processing what happened in her dream, and spicing it up a little bit with the tenderness, the kisses and the biting. Like I said, I love to think so, but I also think that nothing in the way this sequence was presented suggests that it isn’t a dream. Look at the dreamy glow, at the overmelodramatic amount of blood tears on Eric’s face and chest. It speaks of Sookie’s imagination. (even though, I completely agree that this was not just a dream, but a moment in which Sookie truly got in touch with Eric’s purest essence, and they communicated on a non-tangible level) They specifically didn’t include this scene in Eric’s regained memory, which makes no sense if this moment had been real - it’s possible that Eric didn’t mention, but he cannot not remember such a moment.
However, there’s a gap between the ending of 2x09 and the beginning of 2x10, which is extremely abrupt and anticlimatic, so much that I thought I missed a scene, or an entire episode, when I first watched 2x10. What happened off screen in these hours, between Godric’s death and Sookie and Jason on their way back to BT? Did Sookie simply stared at Godric burning, then turned on her heel and went away without batting an eyelid, leaving Godric’s shirt steaming on the rooftop’s pavement? Because Godric took his shirt off before exposing himself to the sun, and when I saw I will rise up’s last scene, I totally thought that shirt would eventually pop out later. And while - yes - it’s probably unlikely that Sookie went to comfort Eric at that point of the story, it’s really not a Sookie thing to ignore a cloth that belonged to someone who just died in front of her, to leave without it, instead of picking it up and cherish it until the time would come to give it back to the only person she knew who would mourn Godric forever. IMO it’s plausible that Sookie took Godric’s shirt and kept it, and I spent the entire season 3 waiting for her to take it out of a drawer and hand it to Eric. In fact, I’m still waiting for it to happen.
This is not a dream. Repeat, this is not a dream but an unmarked flashback, a memory that get’s ‘hijacked’ by Bill’s blood there at the end. Who can spot the clue that tells us it’s not a dream?
I don’t think this was a dream, either (as you said, the music cue was a big clue). At least not completely, that it was something like a repressed memory that came to her as she slept, or half-dream/half-memory. Because, c’mon, of course Sookie went to check on Eric right after his dad killed himself. She wouldn’t be Sookie if she didn’t. She’s not just going to leave him alone, leave without saying anything.
When it’s purely a dream, Sookie is wearing the clothes she fell asleep in (the pre-blood Bill dream, the first post blood Bill dream, the first Eric dream, the Eric warning dream). But this dream and the threesome dream, she’s dressed differently in the dream. And with that threesome “dream”, I always thought Bill was trying to reassert himself in Sookie’s subconscious with it, there were some kind of shenanigans going on. Sookie’s furniture was incorrect, and her hair was parted on the wrong side, and the whole thing was just…bizarre.
And it may seem silly, but every time I watch this scene, I can’t not stare at the smudge on the front of Sookie’s dress. It drives me nuts.
Is that blood? Is it there on purpose or was it an accident they couldn’t get out (which would be highly unlikely)? It’s not there in the previous episode. If it’s there on purpose, why?
Does the fact that it’s in the same place that Maryann got gored (right under the right breast) two episodes later?
Hmmm.
why would Eric never mention this, why did he not remember this when he got back from his amnesia? I would imagine being comforted by her after his maker’s death would be someting that would be on his greatest hits reel?
according to this dream Eric bit Sookie - but Eric denies having drunk from Sookie to Sophie-Anne just a couple days later. Also I don’t think they’d have Eric’s first time drinking from her be such a minor thing.
Unreconstructedfangirl response to @thinkingbox:
I have to say, I agree. I think that despite the musical cues/clues, this is a dream. I agree with Exit that Sookie had to have gone to check on him, but I also think it’s possible that he did not make himself available to be checked on, and she wasn’t able to. I still think that, at this stage in the narrative, he wouldn’t have wanted her to find him in a state like this.
Personally, I see it like this: this is a dream Eric sent her — which we know is possible, right? Didn’t Alan Ball or someone say this was a capability vampires have with a human who has had their blood? Perhaps not consciously, but just through the depth of his grief and desire for comfort, mixed with his desire for Sookie, this dream came to her through the blood, and the fact that she is thinking of him, wondering how he is and wanting to comfort him, which she has to be, because she is Sookie, perhaps makes her more receptive and gives it the character of a real interaction. The fact that the music is “Eric’s Grief” makes me feel like this is a dream that his emotions engendered in her — but I do think it’s a dream.
I think this dream is a real experience of Eric for Sookie, but that it’s via a more spiritual connection, and that it is remarkable pure in terms of how purely “Eric” it is. It reminds me most of the dream where Sookie tells him she can smell his memories in that it’s all about what he wants from her — acceptance, comfort, sustenance.
exitpursuedbyasloth response to @thinkingbox:
Well, it’s hard to give you any concrete answers when we don’t know what this scene actually is, other than Not Quite Right. I mean, I can tell it’s not like the other dreams, but why could be any number of things. It’s just hinky.
I can say, though, that the reason Eric didn’t remember this when Sookie desorcelled him is because they wouldn’t want to tip their hand too early that this scene was not a dream. Showing him remember would give it away, and they may be saving it for a larger reveal down the line (although, we’re in the home stretch here, they do need to start revealing major mindfucks if that is their intention).
As for your other queries,
“Denied drinking Sookie’s blood to Sophie Anne”: Well, he could have lied. I mean, he knows who Bill is, knows his purpose in pursuing Sookie, Eric is not exactly going to tell the one giving Bill’s orders that he drank from “her fairy”. He’s not stupid, Sophie-Anne would either attack him, or immediately go after Sookie.
“Why didn’t Eric mention this?”: Who would he mention it to? We only see him with Sam/Pam/the kids, and then Sophie-Anne. The next time he sees Sookie, Bill is missing and she’s determined to find him and he’s ballsdeep into his alibi for the evening. When he sees her again, she presents him with the symbol of the weres who killed his family, then she shoots him and he has to bury a body, then his baby girl gets kidnapped and tortured and the Queen rats him out, and then he goes to Mississippi and everything goes to shit.
And if you believe that Bill is messing with Sookie’s memory/mind through the blood (as I do), and she’s forgotten this (and by extension, the audience has) and if Eric is aware of this, Eric may not be able to tell her (nor get her away from Bill without undue damage to her psyche). Perhaps that was the reason for that big pronouncement right before he kissed her in his office, “If I meet the true death tonight, I will regret having never kissed you, Sookie Stackhouse.”, I mean, it was a little romance-novelly and awkwardly stilted of Eric to say that sentiment like that. Maybe he was testing her memory.
(Because, seriously, Bill fucking with Sookie’s memory, possibly trying to turn her into a Renfield or something worse, would not only explain SO MUCH of the fuckery that’s been in the show, but also be right in line with Ball’s running themes of perception and narrative manipulation, domestic abuse and how society treats the abused party, and propaganda).
There’s also the possibility that this was half-memory/half-dream. That the part with Sookie going to his room to comfort him was real, and maybe even the kisses on the cheek, but the sex and biting was a dream (perhaps sent by Bill, to keep Sookie afraid of Eric, or perhaps it was her own fantasy of how she wished the night would have ended). Or even one of those “shared dreamspace” things Ball mentioned, that Eric and Sookie would later share with Sex!Narnia.
Because think about it; Would Sookie really have left a heartbroken, grieving man alone during his worst hour? Does that sound like Sookie at all? I mean, she was annoyed and pissed at Eric, but she wasn’t afraid of him (and if she was, you KNOW she would make Jason get up and go with her to check on him, and Jason would, cause he’s kind of an awesome brother when he’s not strung out on V).
Truebloodwillpsychyouout response to a separate post:
This dream was different from the others. Eric didn’t appear to Sookie in the dream. Sookie was going to him. Sookie wasn’t pissed at Eric. She wanted to comfort him. If anything, I would say that this one dream is absolutely about the two of them. There is no Biil here at all.
And this is a dream. Sookie wakes up in the middle of it. There is nothing to indicate that this actually happened. I don’t think either Sookie or Eric would have actually behaved like this in S2. TB is very careful about separating dreams, visions, flashbacks, and fantasies from each other and from reality.
Thought I’d post over here for the interesting discussion. I’ve added a few other comments that came across my dash. What do others think? Any other ideas? —hsm7
When I first saw this scene it didn’t feel like a dream to me, and I was shocked when Sookie awakened. If this is indeed a dream, we can all agree that it is a very meaningful one. I always felt that Sookie’s pre-blood Bill dream was a warning from her subconscious mind about Bill’s true nature. If this scene is a dream, it could be Sookie’s subconscious mind telling her of Eric’s true nature.
It’s brings up some interesting questions, and at the time I thought it was real until Sookie woke up, well done TB.But given that Eric and Sookie had such a short acquaintance at that stage, it does seem very unlikely to me that they would have been so intimate with each other.I can see Sookie wanting to check on him also, and Eric not making himself available.It does strike me odd though that this event wasn’t featured in Eric’s memory flashback if its for real, and that he didn’t mentioned it to her.If its been held back for some reason, fair enough, although right now I’ve idea why TB would.
Look, it’s not the first time that TB fucked with us and presented a dream as something that can be happening for real at first. Some of Sookie’s dreams of Bill were like that. There was that bad porn fest with Bill and Sam. There was Tara’s shower dream with Franklin. Even Eric’s fantasy at first appeared as if real. But then TB very specifically had the characters wake up, so that it was clear to the audience that we were shown a dream. Even Bill’s and Pam’s flashback dreams were carefully structured to show us that the characters were remembering in their dreams. TB is very careful to separate reality from other content on the show because if we can’t ground the show in its reality, then we are basically watching a ping-pong match in Alan Ball’s head. And even if Sookie checked on Eric and told him that Godric was gone, there is no way that Sookie and Eric would have shared this level of emotional and physical intimacy in S2 for real. It’s simply not supported by the narrative.
This is a dream, but it’s different because the emotional context is different. Sookie was pissed at Eric before the first and third dreams, and this was reflected in her resistance to him and references to Bill. But this dream is not about Sookie being conflicted about her feelings for Eric. This dream is about Sookie understanding and empathizing with Eric’s grief and wanting to comfort him after Godric’s true death. I mean, is there some sort of rule that all Sookie’s dreams have to be the same? I don’t know why we are driving ourselves nuts over some spot that can’t even be seen in the video. Sometimes a spot is just a spot.
This is not a dream. Repeat, this is not a dream but an unmarked flashback, a memory that get’s ‘hijacked’ by Bill’s blood there at the end. Who can spot the clue that tells us it’s not a dream?
I don’t think this was a dream, either (as you said, the music cue was a big clue). At least not completely, that it was something like a repressed memory that came to her as she slept, or half-dream/half-memory. Because, c’mon, of course Sookie went to check on Eric right after his dad killed himself. She wouldn’t be Sookie if she didn’t. She’s not just going to leave him alone, leave without saying anything.
When it’s purely a dream, Sookie is wearing the clothes she fell asleep in (the pre-blood Bill dream, the first post blood Bill dream, the first Eric dream, the Eric warning dream). But this dream and the threesome dream, she’s dressed differently in the dream. And with that threesome “dream”, I always thought Bill was trying to reassert himself in Sookie’s subconscious with it, there were some kind of shenanigans going on. Sookie’s furniture was incorrect, and her hair was parted on the wrong side, and the whole thing was just…bizarre.
And it may seem silly, but every time I watch this scene, I can’t not stare at the smudge on the front of Sookie’s dress. It drives me nuts.
Is that blood? Is it there on purpose or was it an accident they couldn’t get out (which would be highly unlikely)? It’s not there in the previous episode. If it’s there on purpose, why?
Does the fact that it’s in the same place that Maryann got gored (right under the right breast) two episodes later?
Hmmm.
why would Eric never mention this, why did he not remember this when he got back from his amnesia? I would imagine being comforted by her after his maker’s death would be someting that would be on his greatest hits reel?
according to this dream Eric bit Sookie - but Eric denies having drunk from Sookie to Sophie-Anne just a couple days later. Also I don’t think they’d have Eric’s first time drinking from her be such a minor thing.
Unreconstructedfangirl response to @thinkingbox:
I have to say, I agree. I think that despite the musical cues/clues, this is a dream. I agree with Exit that Sookie had to have gone to check on him, but I also think it’s possible that he did not make himself available to be checked on, and she wasn’t able to. I still think that, at this stage in the narrative, he wouldn’t have wanted her to find him in a state like this.
Personally, I see it like this: this is a dream Eric sent her — which we know is possible, right? Didn’t Alan Ball or someone say this was a capability vampires have with a human who has had their blood? Perhaps not consciously, but just through the depth of his grief and desire for comfort, mixed with his desire for Sookie, this dream came to her through the blood, and the fact that she is thinking of him, wondering how he is and wanting to comfort him, which she has to be, because she is Sookie, perhaps makes her more receptive and gives it the character of a real interaction. The fact that the music is “Eric’s Grief” makes me feel like this is a dream that his emotions engendered in her — but I do think it’s a dream.
I think this dream is a real experience of Eric for Sookie, but that it’s via a more spiritual connection, and that it is remarkable pure in terms of how purely “Eric” it is. It reminds me most of the dream where Sookie tells him she can smell his memories in that it’s all about what he wants from her — acceptance, comfort, sustenance.
exitpursuedbyasloth response to @thinkingbox:
Well, it’s hard to give you any concrete answers when we don’t know what this scene actually is, other than Not Quite Right. I mean, I can tell it’s not like the other dreams, but why could be any number of things. It’s just hinky.
I can say, though, that the reason Eric didn’t remember this when Sookie desorcelled him is because they wouldn’t want to tip their hand too early that this scene was not a dream. Showing him remember would give it away, and they may be saving it for a larger reveal down the line (although, we’re in the home stretch here, they do need to start revealing major mindfucks if that is their intention).
As for your other queries,
“Denied drinking Sookie’s blood to Sophie Anne”: Well, he could have lied. I mean, he knows who Bill is, knows his purpose in pursuing Sookie, Eric is not exactly going to tell the one giving Bill’s orders that he drank from “her fairy”. He’s not stupid, Sophie-Anne would either attack him, or immediately go after Sookie.
“Why didn’t Eric mention this?”: Who would he mention it to? We only see him with Sam/Pam/the kids, and then Sophie-Anne. The next time he sees Sookie, Bill is missing and she’s determined to find him and he’s ballsdeep into his alibi for the evening. When he sees her again, she presents him with the symbol of the weres who killed his family, then she shoots him and he has to bury a body, then his baby girl gets kidnapped and tortured and the Queen rats him out, and then he goes to Mississippi and everything goes to shit.
And if you believe that Bill is messing with Sookie’s memory/mind through the blood (as I do), and she’s forgotten this (and by extension, the audience has) and if Eric is aware of this, Eric may not be able to tell her (nor get her away from Bill without undue damage to her psyche). Perhaps that was the reason for that big pronouncement right before he kissed her in his office, “If I meet the true death tonight, I will regret having never kissed you, Sookie Stackhouse.”, I mean, it was a little romance-novelly and awkwardly stilted of Eric to say that sentiment like that. Maybe he was testing her memory.
(Because, seriously, Bill fucking with Sookie’s memory, possibly trying to turn her into a Renfield or something worse, would not only explain SO MUCH of the fuckery that’s been in the show, but also be right in line with Ball’s running themes of perception and narrative manipulation, domestic abuse and how society treats the abused party, and propaganda).
There’s also the possibility that this was half-memory/half-dream. That the part with Sookie going to his room to comfort him was real, and maybe even the kisses on the cheek, but the sex and biting was a dream (perhaps sent by Bill, to keep Sookie afraid of Eric, or perhaps it was her own fantasy of how she wished the night would have ended). Or even one of those “shared dreamspace” things Ball mentioned, that Eric and Sookie would later share with Sex!Narnia.
Because think about it; Would Sookie really have left a heartbroken, grieving man alone during his worst hour? Does that sound like Sookie at all? I mean, she was annoyed and pissed at Eric, but she wasn’t afraid of him (and if she was, you KNOW she would make Jason get up and go with her to check on him, and Jason would, cause he’s kind of an awesome brother when he’s not strung out on V).
Truebloodwillpsychyouout response to a separate post:
This dream was different from the others. Eric didn’t appear to Sookie in the dream. Sookie was going to him. Sookie wasn’t pissed at Eric. She wanted to comfort him. If anything, I would say that this one dream is absolutely about the two of them. There is no Biil here at all.
And this is a dream. Sookie wakes up in the middle of it. There is nothing to indicate that this actually happened. I don’t think either Sookie or Eric would have actually behaved like this in S2. TB is very careful about separating dreams, visions, flashbacks, and fantasies from each other and from reality.
Thought I’d post over here for the interesting discussion. I’ve added a few other comments that came across my dash. What do others think? Any other ideas? —hsm7
When I first saw this scene it didn’t feel like a dream to me, and I was shocked when Sookie awakened. If this is indeed a dream, we can all agree that it is a very meaningful one. I always felt that Sookie’s pre-blood Bill dream was a warning from her subconscious mind about Bill’s true nature. If this scene is a dream, it could be Sookie’s subconscious mind telling her of Eric’s true nature.
It’s brings up some interesting questions, and at the time I thought it was real until Sookie woke up, well done TB.But given that Eric and Sookie had such a short acquaintance at that stage, it does seem very unlikely to me that they would have been so intimate with each other.I can see Sookie wanting to check on him also, and Eric not making himself available.It does strike me odd though that this event wasn’t featured in Eric’s memory flashback if its for real, and that he didn’t mentioned it to her.If its been held back for some reason, fair enough, although right now I’ve idea why TB would.
This is not a dream. Repeat, this is not a dream but an unmarked flashback, a memory that get’s ‘hijacked’ by Bill’s blood there at the end. Who can spot the clue that tells us it’s not a dream?
I don’t think this was a dream, either (as you said, the music cue was a big clue). At least not completely, that it was something like a repressed memory that came to her as she slept, or half-dream/half-memory. Because, c’mon, of course Sookie went to check on Eric right after his dad killed himself. She wouldn’t be Sookie if she didn’t. She’s not just going to leave him alone, leave without saying anything.
When it’s purely a dream, Sookie is wearing the clothes she fell asleep in (the pre-blood Bill dream, the first post blood Bill dream, the first Eric dream, the Eric warning dream). But this dream and the threesome dream, she’s dressed differently in the dream. And with that threesome “dream”, I always thought Bill was trying to reassert himself in Sookie’s subconscious with it, there were some kind of shenanigans going on. Sookie’s furniture was incorrect, and her hair was parted on the wrong side, and the whole thing was just…bizarre.
And it may seem silly, but every time I watch this scene, I can’t not stare at the smudge on the front of Sookie’s dress. It drives me nuts.
Is that blood? Is it there on purpose or was it an accident they couldn’t get out (which would be highly unlikely)? It’s not there in the previous episode. If it’s there on purpose, why?
Does the fact that it’s in the same place that Maryann got gored (right under the right breast) two episodes later?
Hmmm.
why would Eric never mention this, why did he not remember this when he got back from his amnesia? I would imagine being comforted by her after his maker’s death would be someting that would be on his greatest hits reel?
according to this dream Eric bit Sookie - but Eric denies having drunk from Sookie to Sophie-Anne just a couple days later. Also I don’t think they’d have Eric’s first time drinking from her be such a minor thing.
Unreconstructedfangirl response to @thinkingbox:
I have to say, I agree. I think that despite the musical cues/clues, this is a dream. I agree with Exit that Sookie had to have gone to check on him, but I also think it’s possible that he did not make himself available to be checked on, and she wasn’t able to. I still think that, at this stage in the narrative, he wouldn’t have wanted her to find him in a state like this.
Personally, I see it like this: this is a dream Eric sent her — which we know is possible, right? Didn’t Alan Ball or someone say this was a capability vampires have with a human who has had their blood? Perhaps not consciously, but just through the depth of his grief and desire for comfort, mixed with his desire for Sookie, this dream came to her through the blood, and the fact that she is thinking of him, wondering how he is and wanting to comfort him, which she has to be, because she is Sookie, perhaps makes her more receptive and gives it the character of a real interaction. The fact that the music is “Eric’s Grief” makes me feel like this is a dream that his emotions engendered in her — but I do think it’s a dream.
I think this dream is a real experience of Eric for Sookie, but that it’s via a more spiritual connection, and that it is remarkable pure in terms of how purely “Eric” it is. It reminds me most of the dream where Sookie tells him she can smell his memories in that it’s all about what he wants from her — acceptance, comfort, sustenance.
exitpursuedbyasloth response to @thinkingbox:
Well, it’s hard to give you any concrete answers when we don’t know what this scene actually is, other than Not Quite Right. I mean, I can tell it’s not like the other dreams, but why could be any number of things. It’s just hinky.
I can say, though, that the reason Eric didn’t remember this when Sookie desorcelled him is because they wouldn’t want to tip their hand too early that this scene was not a dream. Showing him remember would give it away, and they may be saving it for a larger reveal down the line (although, we’re in the home stretch here, they do need to start revealing major mindfucks if that is their intention).
As for your other queries,
“Denied drinking Sookie’s blood to Sophie Anne”: Well, he could have lied. I mean, he knows who Bill is, knows his purpose in pursuing Sookie, Eric is not exactly going to tell the one giving Bill’s orders that he drank from “her fairy”. He’s not stupid, Sophie-Anne would either attack him, or immediately go after Sookie.
“Why didn’t Eric mention this?”: Who would he mention it to? We only see him with Sam/Pam/the kids, and then Sophie-Anne. The next time he sees Sookie, Bill is missing and she’s determined to find him and he’s ballsdeep into his alibi for the evening. When he sees her again, she presents him with the symbol of the weres who killed his family, then she shoots him and he has to bury a body, then his baby girl gets kidnapped and tortured and the Queen rats him out, and then he goes to Mississippi and everything goes to shit.
And if you believe that Bill is messing with Sookie’s memory/mind through the blood (as I do), and she’s forgotten this (and by extension, the audience has) and if Eric is aware of this, Eric may not be able to tell her (nor get her away from Bill without undue damage to her psyche). Perhaps that was the reason for that big pronouncement right before he kissed her in his office, “If I meet the true death tonight, I will regret having never kissed you, Sookie Stackhouse.”, I mean, it was a little romance-novelly and awkwardly stilted of Eric to say that sentiment like that. Maybe he was testing her memory.
(Because, seriously, Bill fucking with Sookie’s memory, possibly trying to turn her into a Renfield or something worse, would not only explain SO MUCH of the fuckery that’s been in the show, but also be right in line with Ball’s running themes of perception and narrative manipulation, domestic abuse and how society treats the abused party, and propaganda).
There’s also the possibility that this was half-memory/half-dream. That the part with Sookie going to his room to comfort him was real, and maybe even the kisses on the cheek, but the sex and biting was a dream (perhaps sent by Bill, to keep Sookie afraid of Eric, or perhaps it was her own fantasy of how she wished the night would have ended). Or even one of those “shared dreamspace” things Ball mentioned, that Eric and Sookie would later share with Sex!Narnia.
Because think about it; Would Sookie really have left a heartbroken, grieving man alone during his worst hour? Does that sound like Sookie at all? I mean, she was annoyed and pissed at Eric, but she wasn’t afraid of him (and if she was, you KNOW she would make Jason get up and go with her to check on him, and Jason would, cause he’s kind of an awesome brother when he’s not strung out on V).
Truebloodwillpsychyouout response to a separate post:
This dream was different from the others. Eric didn’t appear to Sookie in the dream. Sookie was going to him. Sookie wasn’t pissed at Eric. She wanted to comfort him. If anything, I would say that this one dream is absolutely about the two of them. There is no Biil here at all.
And this is a dream. Sookie wakes up in the middle of it. There is nothing to indicate that this actually happened. I don’t think either Sookie or Eric would have actually behaved like this in S2. TB is very careful about separating dreams, visions, flashbacks, and fantasies from each other and from reality.
Thought I’d post over here for the interesting discussion. I’ve added a few other comments that came across my dash. What do others think? Any other ideas? —hsm7
When I first saw this scene it didn’t feel like a dream to me, and I was shocked when Sookie awakened. If this is indeed a dream, we can all agree that it is a very meaningful one. I always felt that Sookie’s pre-blood Bill dream was a warning from her subconscious mind about Bill’s true nature. If this scene is a dream, it could be Sookie’s subconscious mind telling her of Eric’s true nature.
This is not a dream. Repeat, this is not a dream but an unmarked flashback, a memory that get’s ‘hijacked’ by Bill’s blood there at the end. Who can spot the clue that tells us it’s not a dream?
I don’t think this was a dream, either (as you said, the music cue was a big clue). At least not completely, that it was something like a repressed memory that came to her as she slept, or half-dream/half-memory. Because, c’mon, of course Sookie went to check on Eric right after his dad killed himself. She wouldn’t be Sookie if she didn’t. She’s not just going to leave him alone, leave without saying anything.
When it’s purely a dream, Sookie is wearing the clothes she fell asleep in (the pre-blood Bill dream, the first post blood Bill dream, the first Eric dream, the Eric warning dream). But this dream and the threesome dream, she’s dressed differently in the dream. And with that threesome “dream”, I always thought Bill was trying to reassert himself in Sookie’s subconscious with it, there were some kind of shenanigans going on. Sookie’s furniture was incorrect, and her hair was parted on the wrong side, and the whole thing was just…bizarre.
And it may seem silly, but every time I watch this scene, I can’t not stare at the smudge on the front of Sookie’s dress. It drives me nuts.
Is that blood? Is it there on purpose or was it an accident they couldn’t get out (which would be highly unlikely)? It’s not there in the previous episode. If it’s there on purpose, why?
Does the fact that it’s in the same place that Maryann got gored (right under the right breast) two episodes later?
Hmmm.
why would Eric never mention this, why did he not remember this when he got back from his amnesia? I would imagine being comforted by her after his maker’s death would be someting that would be on his greatest hits reel?
according to this dream Eric bit Sookie - but Eric denies having drunk from Sookie to Sophie-Anne just a couple days later. Also I don’t think they’d have Eric’s first time drinking from her be such a minor thing.
Unreconstructedfangirl response to @thinkingbox:
I have to say, I agree. I think that despite the musical cues/clues, this is a dream. I agree with Exit that Sookie had to have gone to check on him, but I also think it’s possible that he did not make himself available to be checked on, and she wasn’t able to. I still think that, at this stage in the narrative, he wouldn’t have wanted her to find him in a state like this.
Personally, I see it like this: this is a dream Eric sent her — which we know is possible, right? Didn’t Alan Ball or someone say this was a capability vampires have with a human who has had their blood? Perhaps not consciously, but just through the depth of his grief and desire for comfort, mixed with his desire for Sookie, this dream came to her through the blood, and the fact that she is thinking of him, wondering how he is and wanting to comfort him, which she has to be, because she is Sookie, perhaps makes her more receptive and gives it the character of a real interaction. The fact that the music is “Eric’s Grief” makes me feel like this is a dream that his emotions engendered in her — but I do think it’s a dream.
I think this dream is a real experience of Eric for Sookie, but that it’s via a more spiritual connection, and that it is remarkable pure in terms of how purely “Eric” it is. It reminds me most of the dream where Sookie tells him she can smell his memories in that it’s all about what he wants from her — acceptance, comfort, sustenance.
exitpursuedbyasloth response to @thinkingbox:
Well, it’s hard to give you any concrete answers when we don’t know what this scene actually is, other than Not Quite Right. I mean, I can tell it’s not like the other dreams, but why could be any number of things. It’s just hinky.
I can say, though, that the reason Eric didn’t remember this when Sookie desorcelled him is because they wouldn’t want to tip their hand too early that this scene was not a dream. Showing him remember would give it away, and they may be saving it for a larger reveal down the line (although, we’re in the home stretch here, they do need to start revealing major mindfucks if that is their intention).
As for your other queries,
“Denied drinking Sookie’s blood to Sophie Anne”: Well, he could have lied. I mean, he knows who Bill is, knows his purpose in pursuing Sookie, Eric is not exactly going to tell the one giving Bill’s orders that he drank from “her fairy”. He’s not stupid, Sophie-Anne would either attack him, or immediately go after Sookie.
“Why didn’t Eric mention this?”: Who would he mention it to? We only see him with Sam/Pam/the kids, and then Sophie-Anne. The next time he sees Sookie, Bill is missing and she’s determined to find him and he’s ballsdeep into his alibi for the evening. When he sees her again, she presents him with the symbol of the weres who killed his family, then she shoots him and he has to bury a body, then his baby girl gets kidnapped and tortured and the Queen rats him out, and then he goes to Mississippi and everything goes to shit.
And if you believe that Bill is messing with Sookie’s memory/mind through the blood (as I do), and she’s forgotten this (and by extension, the audience has) and if Eric is aware of this, Eric may not be able to tell her (nor get her away from Bill without undue damage to her psyche). Perhaps that was the reason for that big pronouncement right before he kissed her in his office, “If I meet the true death tonight, I will regret having never kissed you, Sookie Stackhouse.”, I mean, it was a little romance-novelly and awkwardly stilted of Eric to say that sentiment like that. Maybe he was testing her memory.
(Because, seriously, Bill fucking with Sookie’s memory, possibly trying to turn her into a Renfield or something worse, would not only explain SO MUCH of the fuckery that’s been in the show, but also be right in line with Ball’s running themes of perception and narrative manipulation, domestic abuse and how society treats the abused party, and propaganda).
There’s also the possibility that this was half-memory/half-dream. That the part with Sookie going to his room to comfort him was real, and maybe even the kisses on the cheek, but the sex and biting was a dream (perhaps sent by Bill, to keep Sookie afraid of Eric, or perhaps it was her own fantasy of how she wished the night would have ended). Or even one of those “shared dreamspace” things Ball mentioned, that Eric and Sookie would later share with Sex!Narnia.
Because think about it; Would Sookie really have left a heartbroken, grieving man alone during his worst hour? Does that sound like Sookie at all? I mean, she was annoyed and pissed at Eric, but she wasn’t afraid of him (and if she was, you KNOW she would make Jason get up and go with her to check on him, and Jason would, cause he’s kind of an awesome brother when he’s not strung out on V).
Truebloodwillpsychyouout response to a separate post:
This dream was different from the others. Eric didn’t appear to Sookie in the dream. Sookie was going to him. Sookie wasn’t pissed at Eric. She wanted to comfort him. If anything, I would say that this one dream is absolutely about the two of them. There is no Biil here at all.
And this is a dream. Sookie wakes up in the middle of it. There is nothing to indicate that this actually happened. I don’t think either Sookie or Eric would have actually behaved like this in S2. TB is very careful about separating dreams, visions, flashbacks, and fantasies from each other and from reality.
Thought I’d post over here for the interesting discussion. I’ve added a few other comments that came across my dash. What do others think? Any other ideas? —hsm7
